Vietnamese pho (pronounced “fuh”) happens to be one of the great soups of the world. I eat it all the time.
The other day I thought to myself, “Self: Why is pho so damn good?” I’ll tell you why. This soup has it all: noodles, a mesmerizing broth, onions, various meaty things — usually long-cooked brisket and raw slivers of beef heated through by the broth — an array of fresh herbs to add, crunchy bean sprouts, lime wedges, chiles, and pretty much any sauce you feel like adding. Put simply, pho is the “choose-your-own-adventure” of soups.
It has savory. Sweet. Spicy. Crunchy. Starchy. Herby-bitter. Tangy, even funky if you add fish sauce. Everything our palates desire is in this bowl of soup. That’s why pho is so good. But, I asked myself, why should the Vietnamese have a monopoly on this? Could you not take the principles of pho and translate them into another culture?
Damn straight you can. And I did.
It’s winter, or what passes for winter here in NorCal (Sorry, snowbound Northeast). Winter makes me think Nordic food, which I’ve been playing with a lot lately. What excited me is just how fast I could come up with Scandinavian analogs for all of the things in a bowl of Vietnamese pho.
Pho begins and ends with broth. Pho broth is a wonderful clear base, with a noticeable aroma of star anise and cardamom. Cardamom? You mean the spice so beloved by the Swedes? Perfect. Start with a great broth and add crushed cardamom, or, of you can’t get it, allspice, another Scandinavian favorite. The result is remarkably similar to real pho broth.
You eat pho mostly for the noodles in it, though. Vietnamese pho has long rice noodles, which is fine if you are eating with chopsticks. But if you’ve ever tried to eat long soup noodles with a spoon, you know how futile that is. So my “noodles” became spaetzle dumplings, made with very Norse rye flour. Easy to eat, big flavor.
As for the meat, well, I have lots of duck and goose around, so I went with that.
Vietnamese pho is normally a beef dish, so venison would work well, too. My favorite pho has slow-cooked brisket and raw beef. Easy to replicate by using shredded duck confit and thin slices of goose breast, in this case a whitefront goose. I know, I know, raw? Yes, raw. The meat is cooked by the scalding hot broth you pour over it. By the time you eat it, it’s cooked.
That left the accompaniments, which are vital to good pho. Herbs were an easy one. Vietnamese pho has basil and cilantro. Mine would have dill, chervil, parsley and chives — all herbs that figure prominently in Scandinavian cooking. Something crunchy to replicate the bean sprouts was easy, too: Thinly shaved red radishes, which were both crunchy and colorful.
There are no chiles in Nordic cooking, but they do have horseradish. And freshly shaved horseradish is every bit as stimulating as a chile; it really made the whole bowl of soup pop. Finally, the funky-acid one-two of fish sauce and lime can be approached with my malty, black beer vinegar, or malt vinegar if you don’t have beer vinegar.
Everything adds on itself here. The more elements you bring to it, the better. You want something herby, something acidic, something spicy or sharp, and something crunchy. Let your imagination run wild on this one.
A tip for slicing the goose breast really thin is to freeze it slightly first. Leftover duck confit works well for the shredded meat, if you have some. If not, you can simmer goose legs or duck legs in some of the broth until the meat falls off the bone.
It was an experiment that worked out beautifully. Everything that the Vietnamese version has, only darker, more brooding and wintry, if that makes any sense.
The experience made me think: Could you do this with Italian ingredients? Mexican? French? I bet you could. Our favorite soups are often interactive, allowing us to “doctor” them to suit our personal whims. This soup does that, in one particular way. But there are other potential paths. Follow them.
Nordic Goose Soup, Pho Style
Ingredients
BROTH
- 2 quarts duck broth, or beef broth in a pinch
- About 10 allspice berries, crushed (optional)
- 1 onion, sliced thin from root to tip
DUMPLINGS
- 2 cups rye or barley flour
- 1 egg
- 1/2 to 3/4 cup milk
- 1 teaspoon salt
- Vegetable oil for coating (Use squash seed oil if you have it)
TO FINISH
- 1/2 pound shredded cooked goose, duck or venison
- 1 skinless goose breast, thinly sliced
- 1 small bunch of parsley
- 1 small bunch chervil or dill
- 1 small bunch chives
- 1 small bunch cress (optional)
- 4 to 8 small red radishes, sliced thin
- Malt or beer vinegar to taste
- Horseradish, for grating
Instructions
- If you haven't made the broth beforehand, you'll need that first. My recipe is here. You could of course use store-bought beef broth, but it will not be the same. Either way, once you have the broth, bring it to a gentle simmer and steep the allspice or cardamom in it for at least an hour. If you tie the spices up in a cheesecloth bag, it's easier to fish them out later -- and you can stew the onion in the broth at the same time. Otherwise, you will need to strain the broth and then stew the slice onion for 20 more minutes or so, until they soften.
- While the spices are steeping in the broth, put a large pot of water on to boil for the dumplings. To make the dumplings, mix everything but the oil in a bowl, adding enough milk so the batter is about as loose as pancake batter. Use a colander with wide holes or a spaetzle maker to drop the batter into the boiling water. Boil until they float, then 1 minute more. Remove with a slotted spoon and put them in one layer on a cookie sheet. Drizzle some oil over them so they don't stick.
- By now you should be ready to rock. Set out the herbs, radishes, horseradish and vinegar on the table where everyone can grab them. Get a bowl for everyone. Put some dumplings in each bowl, then some of the shredded, cooked goose meat. Lay some of the thinly sliced goose breast on everything. Bring the broth with the onions still in it to a rolling boil. Pour over the soup
Made this dish this past weekend using Spec broth, braised sandhill legs and snow breast. Fed it to some of my self described “Pho snob” friends and they proclaimed it to be possibly the best pho they have ever tasted. Truly delicious!
This is great inspiration, thanks! We’ll trade you some homemade grappa or nocino for some of your excess geese or ducks…
Looks delicious. Will try this weekend and get back to you with feedback.
Thanks for Sharing
I have been using radishes more and more of late. I also have been using the leaves with great success, especially in soups.
I also love your suggestion to cook with what you have and use what things you like in combination with those suggested.
I want to eat that whole thing right now, these look so good!
Thanks Hank! This is really great timing as I was trying to improve upon Paneras new broth bowls and Vietnamese pho.
These dishes are incredibly versatile and I look forward to trying different ingredients.
You get points for pronunciation.
We make pho with what we have at hand here in the US and most often that is elk bones which for sure have a heavier taste than beef in Asia which has been free ranging about the village. Whatever the source the broth is the most important element. Without the soup it isn’t pho eh?
Anise or whatever it needs to be subtle enough to hardly be detectable. Lately Knorr chicken flavor and so we skip the MSG, but things change. It is the freshness of pho that sets it apart from the more stale cousins of quay toa from Thailand for instance or the meatier soups of Malaysia or Taiwan.
Vegetables cooked only by the heat of the broth that is added to the bowl. Forks work for the rice noodles, better than chopsticks in my opinion.
It was snowing today, we’ve hardly put a dent in the large pot we made and the venison that we will lay on the top of the soup to be just barely cooked hasn’t even melted enough to use yet. Pho for a couple of days until we are sick of it probably.
Made your “Phuk” ‘n soup earlier this winter and it was awesome-all kinds of condiment and ingredients, and it was gooooood. Since then I found a korean market 150 miles away in Boise and loaded up on some ingredients- and without the long back story I would love to recommend that when you want to pick up your chopstix again, try sweet potato noodles that cook up clear- my new favorite noodle for brothy soups, I know you didn’t make em but they’re worth a try. Its partly novelty of finding something new, and they dont disintegrate when cooked too long or reheated, and somethin’ about their slippery texture is wonderful.
dammit Hank, I want to party with you. nothing but good eatin’
What is this “leftover duck confit” you speak of? I know what duck confit is, but I’ve never heard of it in leftover form.
The real reason pho is so good is the true beef broth. So much gelatin it turns into jello-like consistency in the fridge. I make it all the time and love it, as it is always worth it.
I’d submit that the Mexican equivalent of pho is pozole with the various accompaniments to prepare each bowl “al gusto”, particularly if you make up the red chile separately, rather than simmering it with the hominy and meat. That way, each guest can add heat (chile), crunch (cabbage and radish), acid (lime), herbs (cilantro) or cheesiness (cheese).
MDMNM: Exactly! There are a lot of interactive soups out there. Love them all!
That sounds absolutely fantastic!
Oh. My. Goodness. You’ve done it again Hank. Thank You. You’ve given us another reason to enjoy the labors of goose hunting here in the frozen tundra of Wisconsin.
Great idea – will try it with ingredients available in Denmark.
Fish sauce – nordic ? actually a really good danish fishsauce exists see http://northfishsauce.com/GB_index.html. And “soy sauce” can be made from fermenting yellow peas – see https://www.amazon.com/Noma-Guide-Fermentation-lacto-ferments-Foundations/dp/1579657184